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The only reasons I think abortion should be in use is for women who have been raped and has had no other option of birth control/it didn't work. As well as for parents whose child is mutilated and dying from some terrible birth defect. If they illegalize safe abortion, the unsafe abortion will come back (you know, like clothing hangers). So it won't completely stop the will of abortion if they illegalize it.

^^^^ Agreed.

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I'll definitely agree that rape is a problem, but if it happens (which it does), and a woman ends up pregnant from it, shouldn't she have the option to abort the baby legally instead of bearing the child of the person who violated her?

That is a good point, but it's not going to change the fact that she was raped and could possibly be raped again, whereas it wasn't the baby's fault it occured. And who knows, she may have just given up on the one of the people in her life that would love her and cherish her more than any other despite what happened to her.

AbbyAlways

I'll definitely agree that rape is a problem, but if it happens (which it does), and a woman ends up pregnant from it, shouldn't she have the option to abort the baby legally instead of bearing the child of the person who violated her?

That is a good point, but it's not going to change the fact that she was raped and could possibly be raped again, whereas it wasn't the baby's fault it occured. And who knows, she may have just given up on the one of the people in her life that would love her and cherish her more than any other despite what happened to her.

I see your point, but I'm still on the side that it should be a last resort, and should be treated as such legally. If an abortion is what she feels is necessary, she should be allowed to. And besides, the child may love and cherish her, but children cost. A lot. She may not be able to provide for that child.

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But you also have to consider the child’s life after being born. If a mother is not ready for or doesn’t want a baby, how do you think that child will grow up? Most likely, they won’t be given the love and support they deserve. And yes, adoption is an option, but the American adoption system is…pretty bad. I’d rather a child be aborted than forced into a life where they won’t be loved and cared for.
Also, what if the woman isn’t ready to have a baby? What if she’s a pro athlete, and having a child would wreck her career? Or what if she has career goals she has yet to achieve?
I’m not saying abortion is always right, but I think it’s better than the alternative in some cases.

@actual-fandom-trash

Exactly. A child should only be brought into the world if they're going to be loved and supported and be able to live a good life

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Question: what makes killing your child while it's inside you any different than killing it when it's outside you? You see headlines like "Woman kills her two kids after not being able to take care of them" but not "Woman gets abortion after not being able to take care of a child". If abortion is legal, then why is killing your child when they're nine illegal?

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Exactly. A child should only be brought into the world if they're going to be loved and supported and be able to live a good life

Wait, slow down. What you're saying is, a child should only be born if it'll be able to live a struggle free life and have love? Does this apply to us already born? A parent should be able to abort a child if it doesn't love it? These are humans we're talking about, not pets, right?

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because at nine years old, the child has lived. They’ve made friends, had experiences, dreamed dreams. During pregnancy, a child may have been alive, but they haven’t lived.

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But what if you can't take care of them anymore? Then they're going to suffer, and they're going to remember that. So shouldn't you want them to not suffer? And just kill them?

@actual-fandom-trash

Well I feel like that question could be used in both arguments. How is bringing a child into a world where they're neglected and possibly killed, better than aborting a child? And if you haven't aborted, that means you're committing to raise them.

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(Well this is a very interesting read, don’t mind me I’m going to stalk this while talking to myself)

@actual-fandom-trash

Exactly. A child should only be brought into the world if they're going to be loved and supported and be able to live a good life

Wait, slow down. What you're saying is, a child should only be born if it'll be able to live a struggle free life and have love? Does this apply to us already born? A parent should be able to abort a child if it doesn't love it? These are humans we're talking about, not pets, right?

No. I'm saying that they should be able to have a chance. Life comes with struggles. A child should only be born if their parent is committed to raising them. Humans are allowed to love and be loved. They're granted that right. And if a parent isn't committed to raising and loving the child, they should be able to abort it. Why bring a child into a world when there's no one to care for them?

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Or the parents could just…. gasp live with the consequences of their actions and commit to the consequences. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD and it doesn't make it right.

@The-N-U-T-Cracker

…Except they've already been brought into the world, children are alive before they're born

@actual-fandom-trash

Or the parents could just…. gasp live with the consequences of their actions and commit to the consequences. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD and it doesn't make it right.

Well yeah I'm not saying abortions are right all the time. But people should be able to have the choice of whether or not they want a kid. Some people don't want kids. Some didn't have a choice when they got pregnant. Some aren't ready. There's a ton of circumstances and things that have to be considered.

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The human has the will to fight, we always have and always will. And if a parent won't fight for a child then there will be others who will. We shouldn't have the ability to reject someone life because it'll be too hard for them. There are families that desire those children and if adoption is an option than go with that. Those children will find love one day, even if it wasn't from their parents. We don't get to decide whether or not someone gets to live based on how easy it's gonna be for them. Not ever. Who our parents are doesn't define us. Where we grew up doesn't define us. We are who make ourselves to be, who we mold ourselves as, and what we dream of becoming and work to achieve.

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Or the parents could just…. gasp live with the consequences of their actions and commit to the consequences. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD and it doesn't make it right.

Well yeah I'm not saying abortions are right all the time. But people should be able to have the choice of whether or not they want a kid. Some people don't want kids. Some didn't have a choice when they got pregnant. Some aren't ready. There's a ton of circumstances and things that have to be considered.

Well, if they don't want kids, why are they having sex? They need to realize that getting pregnant is a possibility, and offering abortion is just a way of telling them that their actions don't matter and they won't be held accountable

@actual-fandom-trash

Or the parents could just…. gasp live with the consequences of their actions and commit to the consequences. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD and it doesn't make it right.

Well yeah I'm not saying abortions are right all the time. But people should be able to have the choice of whether or not they want a kid. Some people don't want kids. Some didn't have a choice when they got pregnant. Some aren't ready. There's a ton of circumstances and things that have to be considered.

Well, if they don't want kids, why are they having sex? They need to realize that getting pregnant is a possibility, and offering abortion is just a way of telling them that their actions don't matter and they won't be held accountable

But what about rape?

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and consent to sex is in NO WAY consent to a child. Some people like to have intimate relationships with partners, but aren’t ready for kids and that’s okay.

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Or the parents could just…. gasp live with the consequences of their actions and commit to the consequences. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD and it doesn't make it right.

Well yeah I'm not saying abortions are right all the time. But people should be able to have the choice of whether or not they want a kid. Some people don't want kids. Some didn't have a choice when they got pregnant. Some aren't ready. There's a ton of circumstances and things that have to be considered.

Well, if they don't want kids, why are they having sex? They need to realize that getting pregnant is a possibility, and offering abortion is just a way of telling them that their actions don't matter and they won't be held accountable

But what about rape?

That's not the child's fault, though. So why are you punishing the child instead of realizing that sometimes life throws stuff at you and you have to deal.

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Woah, woah, woah. Imagine you get raped, and then you get pregnant, and then you have to live with the reminder of your trauma for the rest of your life. It’s not the child’s fault but it’s not the mothers fault either.

@actual-fandom-trash

So you're saying that if someone gets raped, the mother should be forced to carry the rapist's child? A reminder of what happened?

Yeah exactly judgement is a bad thing

Wrong. Without judgement we would not be able to live.

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and consent to sex is in NO WAY consent to a child. Some people like to have intimate relationships with partners, but aren’t ready for kids and that’s okay.

I have a question for you. How many of your friends were born out of wedlock?

Question for Pro-choice. Why should it be rare?

So you're saying that if someone gets raped, the mother should be forced to carry the rapist's child? A reminder of what happened?

Actually many mothers consider the child a sort of redemption. Like the good that came out of something evil. Also it's a child of it's own. Not a rapists child. S/he shouldn't be defined by the crimes of his/her parents.

Also rape is less than 2% of abortions.

AbbyAlways

Hey, just a weigh in. Rape is in no way something "life throws at you" you should have to deal with. Rape is a horrible crime committed by one person to another, and if the victim is forcefully impregnated, the victim has the right to a safe and legal abortion to remove the child. Also, the child isn't alive until later in the pregnancy, by the way. The fetus isn't immediately alive from the moment of conception.

AbbyAlways

Also rape is less than 2% of abortions.

That two percent is still a number, who should be accounted for.

Well of course. But what I mean is it is the vast minority yet it is brought up as if it is not every time.