It's about time for America to fall. Who agrees? Who disagrees? Why?

Can we please stop the whole "straight white males can't have opinions unless they agree with me" thing? Because if we're going to start gatekeeping arguments based on such things then maybe none of us are allowed to have opinions because we haven't been raped, had children, or been aborted in our mother's wombs.

Sorry, why do you care?

You and Al is literally acting as if he knows SO MUCH about the woman's body, and he clearly doesn't. He's arguing about women's rights, and we have the right to argue back.

How have I demonstrated ignorance?

By refusing to believe what Shade and I say about women's reasonings on abortions and why they get them, saying we're wrong?

Nor are you.
I, however, have read about and looked into women and why they've had abortions.

It has to do with statistics, not being a woman. Therefore my opinion is still valid.

So in a debate about the female anatomy and women's rights, a man looking up bullshit statistics is more valid than a woman voicing how other women approach the topic?
Sadly, this is how most places treat the debate so I'm disappointed but not surprised

So this is about female anatomy? News to me. I don't see how. And facts matter far more than our opinions. Mine as a man and yours as a woman.

It's literally about the female reproductive system but go off I guess

We're not. But we have a better idea as to what a women thinks and her reasoning than you might. Statistics may say one thing, but reality will say another. That's the thing with stats, it only gives you part of the picture.

Exactly.

Nor are you.
I, however, have read about and looked into women and why they've had abortions.

And I never have?

Well, since your statistics seem quite inaccurate, if I gambled I'd put my money on 'you haven't, or at least haven't from unbiased sources'

It has to do with statistics, not being a woman. Therefore my opinion is still valid.

So in a debate about the female anatomy and women's rights, a man looking up bullshit statistics is more valid than a woman voicing how other women approach the topic?
Sadly, this is how most places treat the debate so I'm disappointed but not surprised

So this is about female anatomy? News to me. I don't see how. And facts matter far more than our opinions. Mine as a man and yours as a woman.

It's literally about the female reproductive system but go off I guess

Nah. It's about what goes on inside it.

Which is still inside the reproductive system?

By the way, I'm pro mind your business. People shouldn't nose their ways into others lives because they don't agree. So in my opinion, we shouldn't even need to have this argument because abortions are a human right of control of the female body. A child that was never born can do no harm nor no good.

Being pro-birth is being anti-women. Plain and simple.

Same. I personally don't care if you choose to birth the baby or abort it, I just care about the fact that women are having that ability stripped away from them.

It has to do with statistics, not being a woman. Therefore my opinion is still valid.

So in a debate about the female anatomy and women's rights, a man looking up bullshit statistics is more valid than a woman voicing how other women approach the topic?
Sadly, this is how most places treat the debate so I'm disappointed but not surprised

So this is about female anatomy? News to me. I don't see how. And facts matter far more than our opinions. Mine as a man and yours as a woman.

It's literally about the female reproductive system but go off I guess

Nah. It's about what goes on inside it.

Which is still inside the reproductive system?

Yes. But inside a woman's body is not the same as a woman's body.

Read that sentence out loud and see if you can see how ridiculous that sounds.

My mother has had 7 children and at least 4 miscarriages, yet she's even more pro-life than me (she has very little sympathy for anyone who gets an abortion).

Does that mean she's just inexperienced, immature, and bigoted?

If she has no sympathy for a woman who makes one of the toughest choices possible, then I daresay she is bigoted.

You know what? No matter how many points I make, a 12 year old and a man will still try to half-assedly debunk them until they're blue in the face. Fuck this shit, I'm out.