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Listen, no matter what your Frankenstein take is, if you don't agree that Henry Clerval deserves the entire world, we can't be friends.

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The weather here….disgasten-

Mood. I've been stuck in a hot, muggy veil of smoke for a whole week. Goddamn fire season

i know I'm late to the Frankenstein convo but honestly I'm a huge Victor stan. I…don't understand what y'all see in the monster, but you do you I guess

I don't understand what y'all see in Victor
The creature is literally just Not As Bad As Victor. That's pretty much it. He sucks too, it's just mostly not his fault

Victor was horrified by what he had created, and tried to fix his mistakes. The Monster chose to kill people. In my opinion, the Monster is worse

Yeah he was horrified and then kept making worse mistakes and fixed nothing, plus he watched someone be killed for something he did and didn't say a fucking thing before anything actually happened, had no forethought that something might go wrong while he was making the creature, abandoned him because he didn't like his eyes, and continued to refuse to believe that the creature would do anything to anyone other than him despite much direct evidence to the contrary. The Creature was abandoned and knew only that, Victor had known pretty much only love his whole fucking life, he had absolutely no excuse.

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah, sure. Had he stepped up and said "look I made a person and they did this, not Justine" he would have been thrown in the madhouse and JUSTINE STILL WOULD HAVE DIED. The Creature doomed her, not Victor

i know I'm late to the Frankenstein convo but honestly I'm a huge Victor stan. I…don't understand what y'all see in the monster, but you do you I guess

I don't understand what y'all see in Victor
The creature is literally just Not As Bad As Victor. That's pretty much it. He sucks too, it's just mostly not his fault

Victor was horrified by what he had created, and tried to fix his mistakes. The Monster chose to kill people. In my opinion, the Monster is worse

Yeah he was horrified and then kept making worse mistakes and fixed nothing, plus he watched someone be killed for something he did and didn't say a fucking thing before anything actually happened, had no forethought that something might go wrong while he was making the creature, abandoned him because he didn't like his eyes, and continued to refuse to believe that the creature would do anything to anyone other than him despite much direct evidence to the contrary. The Creature was abandoned and knew only that, Victor had known pretty much only love his whole fucking life, he had absolutely no excuse.

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah, sure. Had he stepped up and said "look I made a person and they did this, not Justine" he would have been thrown in the madhouse and JUSTINE STILL WOULD HAVE DIED. The Creature doomed her, not Victor

He didn't have to say that. He could have advocated for a further investigation or said "actually I think someone else did it". He didn't have to mention that he made a person. He sat there and watched her be murdered. For something she didn't do and something he damn well could have stopped. A man that figured out how to create life would have had the creative bone needed to come up with something to stop it. But. He. Sat. There. And. Watched. And don't you forget that HE abandoned the Creature, not the other way around. Victor created him and abandoned him. He doomed himself and everyone else because he can't begin to grasp what consequences are and how to be a decent person. But yeah keep simping over him ig

He wasn't even in the country when his brother died. There was nothing he could have done or said. The crowd was out for blood and if he had protested, probably nothing would have happened. And he didn't abandon the creature. He passed out and was bedridden for like,,,, two months, he literally couldn't go anywhere. And hey, I'd rather simp for someone without a good grasp of consequences than a murderer

HE DIDN'T TRY ANYTHING. SOMEONE WHO CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS OWN ACTIONS BUT IS AT LEAST A MILDLY DECENT CHARACTER WOULD HAVE AT LEAST TRIED TO DO SOMETHING IN THE HOPES THAT IT WOULD WORK. HE DOESN'T HAVE A DECENT BONE IN HIS BODY.

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Henry deserved better but at least he went to heaven with some actually nice people, yeah I went there.

Victor caused every murder but okay

how dare you
The CREATURE killed people. The Creature is the one who chose to murder and kill when he didn't get his way, like a whiny fucking baby throwing a temper tantrum when they don't get their way

HE DIDN'T TRY ANYTHING. SOMEONE WHO CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS OWN ACTIONS BUT IS AT LEAST A MILDLY DECENT CHARACTER WOULD HAVE AT LEAST TRIED TO DO SOMETHING IN THE HOPES THAT IT WOULD WORK. HE DOESN'T HAVE A DECENT BONE IN HIS BODY.

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Henry deserved better but at least he went to heaven with some actually nice people, yeah I went there.

Victor caused every murder but okay

how dare you
The CREATURE killed people. The Creature is the one who chose to murder and kill when he didn't get his way, like a whiny fucking baby throwing a temper tantrum when they don't get their way

I'm sorry, is the experience of knowing only hatred justified less than "I don't wanna say anything uwu" and having your head so far up your ass that you think obvious threats toward other people are directed at you and you still can't be bothered to actually do anything about it? Is a human who was raised in a loving household and is still a selfish, shitty human being who won't listen to his own creation more worthy of forgiveness than a child who was abandoned upon creation and only wanted to talk to his creator? He wanted to talk to Victor. He said I'mma hurt your loved ones if you don't talk to me, Victor refused, and kept refusing even after more people died.

He killed people like a toddler throwing a tantrum. "Fine, you won't talk to me, I'll destroy the things you love" like a fucking baby. That's what children do. Except with the Creature it's worse, because he knew that life was precious and that death isn't a good thing, and yet he did it anyways

just looked up who invented sex dolls and i haven’t been the same since.

Well, who invented them?

hitler

Honestly as annoying as it can be, AI Dungeon sort of slaps

AI Dungeon has, multiple times, tried to sexually assault my characters, so uh
But other than that it's pretty fun!

Honestly as annoying as it can be, AI Dungeon sort of slaps

AI Dungeon has, multiple times, tried to sexually assault my characters, so uh
But other than that it's pretty fun!

It did that for some of mine too-
I put my detectives group in, and it just had Jackson call Victor a mad scientist so it gets points for that bit in my book. Victor's autogenerated response was "Well, I do have an interest in science." which is definitely what his response would be so I guess this machine kinda vibes with my characters

like just outta fucking nowhere, I was really confused
Ooh nice!

Well, who invented them?

hitler

Disappointed but low-key not too surprised

i just saw a tik tok on that

I don't know where all the Victor vs Creature discourse came from but let me say this. Victor and the Creature were BOTH right. Sure, Victor shouldn't have abandoned the Creature, should have tried to save Justine, all that, but he never did anything explicitly malicious and as much as I bully him he did deserve better and most of that was out of his control. The Creature, despite being surprisingly articulate, was frankly emotionally a child, practically a baby only raised on ideas of revenge. He read fucking Paradise Lost I don't think that needs elaboration. The world spat on him, of course he'd wanna fight it. That doesn't make the revenge okay, but I would have done the same in his position and I don't honestly know anyone who wouldn't have. IN HIS POSITION, I'm not saying any regular, well rounded person would but the Creature had serious unadressed trauma and Victor kinda did say fuck you first. Again, this isn't condoning it, just understanding it. Honestly the both of them are highly complicated people and genuinely didn't deserve any of the horrors that befell them, self inflicted or not.

Justine and Elizabeth are also gay for each other. I have spoken.

Why??

Just because.