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person_off
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Exactly! My father says the same thing!
And plus, executing them immediately might scare the people who are thinking about following in their footsteps.

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If they were caught in the act, then no, but if they escaped and were taken into custody later, then they should have a trial in case the person taken in was the wrong person.

person_off
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I agree with that. But if they are found guilty, they should just be sent to death right away.

person_off
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Exactly! My father says the same thing!
And plus, executing them immediately might scare the people who are thinking about following in their footsteps.

German power! :D

@amber_is_in_a_loop

Okay, so we're agreeing on the fact they could be put to death.
Now, what if one of a few murderers who took part in a mass shooting is taken in but the others escape. Would torturing for information be a fair option?

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Exactly! My father says the same thing!
And plus, executing them immediately might scare the people who are thinking about following in their footsteps.

German power! :D

Agrees in German

person_off
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No.
Torture is inhumane and horrible.

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I mean, if they have the guarantee of execution hanging over their heads, I'm sure at least 1 would be willing to snitch without needing to torture anyone.

@amber_is_in_a_loop

Okay, but hypothetically. Do you guys think there is ever a case where torture is acceptable?

person_off
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German power! :D

Hell yeah!

person_off
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Okay, but hypothetically. Do you guys think there is ever a case where torture is acceptable?

Yes, to get vital information

person_off
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Okay, but hypothetically. Do you guys think there is ever a case where torture is acceptable?

Nope.

@amber_is_in_a_loop

I'm not sure about this one actually.
On the one hand, torture is inhuman and disgusting and beyond what a human should be able to do to another human.
On the other hand though… vital information. Vital information for the good of the world, meaning around 9 billion people, might just be grounds for it. Especially if the pain inflicted is towards one who's taken lives.

book

First off, torture is terribly immoral. Second, don’t you understand torture??? The bird will sing yes, but there is no guaranteed truth. You say what the person torturing you wants you to say. That’s what you do. Try to find what they want as soon as possible so you can tell them what they want to hear so they’ll stop and you can hold off the pain for just a little bit longer.

@amber_is_in_a_loop

My understanding is that you're so full of the pain that there's no room for another thought, so you don't have the courage/energy to lie

book

Well, to be fair, perhaps you lose your senses. But then you start babbling bull. Though if one truly had the information they might spill. But there’s always the chance that they could resist torture. Though I don’t see how that would work.

person_off
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There is human torture.
Excessive tickling.

No one can resist that.

person_off
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But in all seriousness, I think that if someone is marked for death already, then what is stopping the gov from getting the info they want?

book

Morality and humanity dignity. But what does the government care about that? Idk.

@amber_is_in_a_loop

But in all seriousness, I think that if someone is marked for death already, then what is stopping the gov from getting the info they want?

Well, they could be protecting others.

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Bor Gullet knows the truth

@Bananapudding

Torture is fine as long as you're not killing the person (to get vital info ofc)

person_off
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Morality and humanity dignity. But what does the government care about that? Idk.

(gestures vaguely in agreement)

person_off
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But in all seriousness, I think that if someone is marked for death already, then what is stopping the gov from getting the info they want?

Well, they could be protecting others.

I'm not sure what you mean by this? Protecting someone(s) after committing a heinous crime doesn't zero out the moral compass of the world. Certainly, protection someone(s) that also committed and/or participated in said crime isn't being a good Samaritan either. It's enabling criminals to continue their work, thus putting more people in danger.

@amber_is_in_a_loop

I'm not saying it's good or justifying at all, I'm just saying they could be protecting their organisation.

person_off
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Torture is a no

@amber_is_in_a_loop

I'd say otherwise

@amber_is_in_a_loop

Obviously it's not yes, but some situations or people etc could be fair enough grounds

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This definitely isn't my unpopular opinion, but I know someone whose opinion this is - Spoons are superior to the other utensils.

person_off
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