For a lot of kids, guns may be a trigger for them. Sending kids into panic attacks in the middle of school does not create a healthy learning environment, and would make many kids unable to learn.
true, but it's not like they can't see a gun that a police officer has
Yeah but most teenagers aren't around cops all day. Most teenagers are around teachers all day.
No. Having guns shouldn’t be illegal. People need to hunt animals for food, if we take that away we could starve people. You actually need a license for hunting to own one, or be a police officer, or some other authority figure. Taking guns away from people can most likely ruin a hunters way of life.
For a lot of kids, guns may be a trigger for them. Sending kids into panic attacks in the middle of school does not create a healthy learning environment, and would make many kids unable to learn.
true, but it's not like they can't see a gun that a police officer has
Yeah but most teenagers aren't around cops all day. Most teenagers are around teachers all day.
I'm talking about the on-campus-police that some were pushing for
For a lot of kids, guns may be a trigger for them. Sending kids into panic attacks in the middle of school does not create a healthy learning environment, and would make many kids unable to learn.
true, but it's not like they can't see a gun that a police officer has
Yeah but most teenagers aren't around cops all day. Most teenagers are around teachers all day.
I'm talking about the on-campus-police that some were pushing for. do not try to patronize me.
Even when there are police on campus, you're still around teachers more.
And I wasn't trying to patronize you man, chill out and don't hide your words.
For a lot of kids, guns may be a trigger for them. Sending kids into panic attacks in the middle of school does not create a healthy learning environment, and would make many kids unable to learn.
true, but it's not like they can't see a gun that a police officer has
Yeah but most teenagers aren't around cops all day. Most teenagers are around teachers all day.
I'm talking about the on-campus-police that some were pushing for. do not try to patronize me.
Even when there are police on campus, you're still around teachers more.
And I wasn't trying to patronize you man, chill out and don't hide your words.
but around cops nonetheless
(it's probably just anxiety, but that sounded patronizing. I lost my temper I'm sorry)
give teachers guns so they can prevent school shootings
Hard disagree. I'm Canadian as well, so maybe I'm biased, but school shootings are just an offshoot of a bigger problem which is gun control (or lack of).
Let's say we do let teachers have guns, and lets say the number of school shootings decrease. Ok, that's not a bad thing. But now lets google the deadliest mass shootings in America. Here's our top 10:
Only four of those ten are school shootings. So, maybe it would decrease school shootings but it wouldn't do anything about shootings from happening anywhere else. You have a total of 140 deaths between the top three and only one of them was on a school campus. That's crazy.
And lets say that you have teachers vetted to make sure they won't misuse it. Why not just extend that process to everyone else who wants to own a gun at that point? That's been working pretty well for us here in Canada (and a lot of other countries too).
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As a high schooler who goes to a very big school, I do not want the teachers to be armed. Students could take the guns, teachers could leave them unsecured, a teacher could lose their temper. Hell, a student who's having a bad day could wrestle the gun from a teacher and kill students.
I'll admit that a student could take a gun, but about the other three:
why does the teacher not have his/her firearm holstered and secured?
why is there a teacher who would willingly commit voluntary manslaughter over an annoyance?
why isn't the teacher trained to not let a literal child take a something as significant as that?
Have…have you ever been to a public school?
People make mistakes, and teachers who are still getting used to being tasked with handling a gun could very easily leave it out. What if they're in a hurry to leave because it's late and they accidentally leave it out because THEY AREN'T USED TO TAKING CARE OF A GUN! What if they need to step out to take an urgent phone call, talk to another teacher or student, or go to the bathroom and leave it out because they're in a hurry?
Again, people are unpredictable. What if they're being threatened by a student (and yes, this happens, my vice principal was jumped by some students and his knee was broken)? What if they just finally snap?
Not all teachers are physically able to fight off a student (because they shouldn't fucking have to) and when you say 'literal child' you seem to be ignoring the fact that there are students who are in their late teens, or who are naturally bigger or work out. Would you really blame a small, scrawny adult for not being able to fight off a 6+ foot tall football player?
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Actually, not particularly. We have police officers at my school and I hardly ever see them. And when I do, I'm more noticing the uniform and you know, their face.
Agreed, my school has cops and I know they're there, but I don't really see them because they stay in areas that are known for fights and/or drug deals.
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And if it's safely away, how are they going to get it out quickly enough to defend themself and their students?
Especially if they're also trying to take attendance, keep everyone calm, call for help, and barricade the door?
We have ALICE at my school
Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter, Evacuate
Alert: The announcement that tells you someone is in the building
Lockdown: Well, that one is pretty obvious. But we have a really intricate lockdown process that involves a belt
Inform: All the school phones have a button that takes you directly to the intercom. If you have an update on the situation you press it and speak, and the whole school will hear it.
Counter: My favorite, tbh. If the attacker is trying to enter the room we throw books, waterbottles, even paper at them while some students swarm the attacker, grab their limbs and go limp
Evacuate: If we can't get out using a door, we break a window and get out, we have been taught how.
Am I the only one who has been in an active shooting?
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We have ALICE at my school
Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter, EvacuateAlert: The announcement that tells you someone is in the building
Lockdown: Well, that one is pretty obvious. But we have a really intricate lockdown process that involves a belt
Inform: All the school phones have a button that takes you directly to the intercom. If you have an update on the situation you press it and speak, and the whole school will hear it.
Counter: My favorite, tbh. If the attacker is trying to enter the room we throw books, waterbottles, even paper at them while some students swarm the attacker, grab their limbs and go limp
Evacuate: If we can't get out using a door, we break a window and get out, we have been taught how.
Yeah, same.
We're actually encouraged to get out as fast as possible if we're able to.
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Am I the only one who has been in an active shooting?
I haven't been in an active shooting, but I've been in several active threats.
Am I the only one who has been in an active shooting?
I haven't been in an active shooting, but I've been in several active threats.
those suck too
I mean I haven’t at school, but I used to live in an area where we would experience stuff like hearing gunshot in the distance or getting bomb threats
I haven’t been in one though at school, and since I moved to a safer town away from the border it got a bit better, then we left for Canada and it’s a lot better
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Am I the only one who has been in an active shooting?
I haven't been in an active shooting, but I've been in several active threats.
those suck too
Yeah
Wisconsin schools kinda suck ig
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Also a building in my town blew up, but it was from a gas leak and not an active threat sorta deal.
What I'm getting out of this is that a good idea is to have gun people who happen to be teachers concealed carry. What are the objections to that? (Because I'm having trouble going against three pages.)
Am I the only one who has been in an active shooting?
I haven't been in an active shooting, but I've been in several active threats.
those suck too
Yeah
Wisconsin schools kinda suck ig
True, my fellow Wisconsinite
Am I the only one who has been in an active shooting?
I haven't been in an active shooting, but I've been in several active threats.
We've gotten lots of threats but we haven't really ever been in lockdown. They're usually debunked pretty quickly. Once my freshman year, we had to stay in first period longer because if drug dogs
And last year, some kid broke into the school at 2 am and walked around and went a bunch of places and they had to search the whole place. School got cancelled for us that day. What they found? A major leak in the library. There are mixed thoughts about what he was doing, so I don't really know. He got suspended, though
that was off topic, sorry
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The school I went to last year (it's an upper middle school so it's just 8th and 9th graders, which is a fucking stupid idea imo) gets a yearly bomb threat.
Someone called and reported that there were 2 girls who planned to shoot up the school one day after school, a bunch of sports kids and theatre kids were there but I wasn't. Turns out it was a hoax.
And if it's safely away, how are they going to get it out quickly enough to defend themself and their students?
Especially if they're also trying to take attendance, keep everyone calm, call for help, and barricade the door?
Yeah, and taking care of people with MENTAL breakdowns? Maybe kids aren’t taking it seriously and laughing? Maybe the teacher is weak and some kids won’t help.
What if they’re the first attacked? If a school shooter attacks a room, they’re going after the adult and/or strong looking kids before killing others. The scrawny slow kids (aka me) won’t be fast enough to help, and if the teachers killed and no one knows the code, they can’t use the gun. Police officers always have something on them. Some police officers don’t have guns, they have other stuff.
Mental breakdowns would not be priori one in a gunner situation. Problem not really relevant. And even if they get killed, doesn't make the situation much worse at its worst.
What I'm getting out of this is that a good idea is to have gun people who happen to be teachers concealed carry. What are the objections to that? (Because I'm having trouble going against three pages.)
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Mental breakdowns would not be priori one in a gunner situation. Problem not really relevant. And even if they get killed, doesn't make the situation much worse at its worst.
Idk, I feel like making sure that kids aren't screaming, hyperventilating, and crying would be pretty fucking relevant when you're trying not to be seen. Also, heartless much?
No offence, (and I mean no offence, neither do I mean to offend) but I really think it doesn't matter. It's a life or death situation. A man (or woman) who knows guns will have no trouble talking softly to children, which isn't much less than can be done. But there's only so much one can do. I don't know/remember if you have siblings, but if you know kids, you know the difficulty of keeping them quiet. Some children (most if they're younger than a certain age) are unable to be calmed in certain circumstances. They haven't developed the brain skills to think beyond fear and sadness. If they're old enough, the other students can do the calming.
As for heartless… Yes. To a certain extent, I am. I do not feel emotion like other people. It can be a social disadvantage, but I wouldn't trade it out. It would make me as malleable and vulnerable as the others, which I would hate.
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Wow, so fuck those kids who panic in bad situations, guess they're just collateral then.
Wow, so fuck those kids who panic in bad situations, guess they're just collateral then.
It’s not like they’re screaming giving away their location to the shooters if they’re breaking down, yeah just leave them to cry their eyes out. It’s not like THEY MIGHT BE SCREAMING TELLING THE SHOOTER PEOPLE ARE IN THERE. Taking care of loud kids should be priority number one, if someone’s yelling it’s easier to give away locations. Those kids could die because the teacher ignored those kids screaming. Not to be rude, but MENTAL BREAKDOWNS ARE LOUD.
