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"Lack of Empathy" should have been removed from the list of autism "symptoms" a long time ago. It's generally agreed now that "Lack of Empathy" is only a symptom of Natural Psychopathy. Sorry to intrude, just wanted to note that.
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Hyper-empathy is also a symptom of autism iirc
Hyper-empathy is also a symptom of autism iirc
a while ago my brother was being tested or like, whatever it is they do to determine a diagnosis, but anyway tested to see if he was on the spectrum, and one of the reasons it was heavily considered was because of his hyper empathy. and his really bad overstimulation in crowds and the fact that he was insanely smart and they weren't sure whether he had adhd and anxiety or was on the spectrum. but anyway, he's like one of the most empathetic kids i've ever met. istg he can feel what someone is feeling before they do sometimes
i think it was decided that he wasn't? but like if he had been it wouldn't have been all that surprising
and also wouldn't have torn my family apart(i did that!) but oop
"Lack of Empathy" should have been removed from the list of autism "symptoms" a long time ago. It's generally agreed now that "Lack of Empathy" is only a symptom of Natural Psychopathy. Sorry to intrude, just wanted to note that.
also to note is that people with depression who go for longs periods of time without treatment, end up having premanent damage to the prefrontal cortex and the amygdala, who's job is to regulate emotions and the such. due to this, people with depression feel more apathetic, meaning, less empathy.
and just to quote my dude Mike King:
"The person who is depressed and especially one who has gone for a long time suffering from depression, cannot practice empathy because he is too wrapped up in his own suffering to feel anyone else’s depression.
The individual with depression may have a good intellectual understanding of what empathy is all about but cannot transfer the thoughts into empathy for others."
so yeah, sorry intruding too lmao just wanted to share that bit of info
which also is why you feel so apathetic all the time emi- i've seen your rants in the venting space and as someone who had depression too, the lack of empathy means it's get bad. really bad. in my experience anyways-
anyways yeah, i'll leave now djksjlsj
yeah I was pretty spooked wondering why i related to that so much
thanks mumu
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Wait that explains….so much…..
mhm ! <3
so what happens when you've been going to therapy since you were a kid and you were diagnosed with and treated(therapy wise) for depression at a young age? cause i get the apathy thing a lot, especially when i should be grieving or feeling super bad
apathy can also be caused by antidepressants because they suppress your mood and that part of your brain from receiving negative emotions- im not too sure about this one, but my therapist told me that the pills also have a lot to do with apathy
it's a side effect i think
holy shit is that why i suddenly can’t give good emotional and life advice anymore. Like that’s a little bit of a stretch but maybe
How long is this period of time without treatment supposed to be?
Yes that’d be nice information to have please
months. even years. the change is gradual. but let's see. i started with this whole depression thing when i was twelve so that means…at least two years because it was when i was fourteen that it started- the apathy thing.
I know with me my depression started/developed when I was close to 14 (in eighth grade) and I was mostly just really angry and overemotional all the time. This year, close to 17, I’m just completely flat most of the time
so….i don't take the antidepressants i have. i'm out and have been for a while but it's not a prescription i can just get renewed. does that just mean i'm defective lmao
ah no- when you stop taking your antidepressants they still work even after you stop them- but ! abruptly stopping your meds when you should be taking them can cause a lotta damage.
just ask my dumbass that goes on and off of them all the time.
but yeah, after a while of feeling all those intense emotions of sadness it goes to a point when you dont even find a point to your sadness or why you feel the way you do, so you just kinda… go dull, you know?
dude you gotta stop with that
that hurt right at home lmao
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I feel empathy but not compassion which usually freaks people out. Basically I feel secondhand emotions but I don’t really feel bad for people. I, of course, force myself to care about people but if I see someone fall there’s no feeling of “oh I gotta help them”
You don't need empathy to care about people though, that's more sympathy/compassion as @GameMaster pointed out and as I'm pointing out (and you don't even need that!) because I'm a low/fluctuating empathy autistic and that's never stopped me from trying to care about people! When I'm higher empathy is what poses a problen because everyone feels SO MUCH and I don't have the emotional energy to deal with that.
@Crunch, @PatienceKills
(Please don’t come at me for tagging you…. I wanted to do this via pming, but decided to make it public since both of you made it very clear that you’d block me if I made that attempt….)
We have all had sufficient time to calm down from this. Yes, I do acknowledge that what I was doing was absolutely wrong on multiple levels, for which I am sincerely sorry. I never intended to offend anyone; groups, religions, etc. My intent was to simply share information that I thought could possibly help other writers. I never claimed that the information was from me directly. From here on out I promise to not only credit the writer(s), but to add disclaimers as well.
Some of you have possibly asked yourselves why I got so angry and defensive…. First and what I feel is foremost, is the fact that I had been doing this for nearly a month. The accusations and criticism only came after hours of typing, copying and pasting, editing for format, and linking had already been done. Any writer or artist would become upset after all that work.
As for why I got defensive, that was because I had asked, on multiple occasions, to be pm'd on the issue. I gave an alternative method in which I was willing to listen to your grievances, yet the group continued to insist that we did it publicly. I became frustrated that the group didn’t want to take things to a pm, which I repeat, I was more likely to listen to your problems in. I wanted to take the situation to pm's because I knew that others that had no prior knowledge of what was happening would come in, interrupting what should be a civil conversation, only to stir up drama and add fuel to the fire. The pm could've been a group pm, especially since I know that a lot of us are uncomfortable with addressing things one-on-one.
Pressuring someone into something that they have made known that they don’t want to do is part of my definition of bullying. Everyone has their own definition on that particular issue, and agrees on the given dictionary definitions of it. For future reference, when someone kindly asks and provides an alternative way to handle things, please try to take it into consideration. The more you try to pressure someone into handling it in a way that they have made clear that they don’t wish to, the less likely it is that they will be willing to listen; why should they when you didn’t listen to them in return?
We all know that bullying is an extremely serious issue and topic. It can be done by anyone of any age, race, gender, and even by groups. People can and do say hurtful things, things that they may not realize were hurtful when they were initially said. Not only can a person’s words do detrimental damage to those on the receiving end, but their actions as well. These words and actions not only affect the receiver on an emotional level, but on mental levels as well.
Emi, I’m sorry that you felt like I was bullying you when I messaged you. I was initially going to put what I said in the venting chat. However, ccb immediately let me know that that was the wrong move and I realized that it was hypocritical of me to publicly do that while I had been asking to be pm’d myself; that is why I pm’d you. That said, I absolutely do not appreciate that you said that I was bullying you, and told you to “shut up.” If you’re going to make an accusation such as this, you had better have evidence to back up your claim. I’m sorry if my calling you out makes you upset, but I don’t appreciate having words put into my mouth (or, in this particular case, at my fingertips).
Before anyone tries to say that this was unfair of me to do in such a public manner, I must remind you that Emi said that she’d block me if I messaged her again. Therefore, I was unfortunately left with no other choice. I realize that I could’ve reported her, but for her sake (and that numerous users respect her) I chose to do this instead. Now, before Emi claims that I made changes to the message, I want to ask ccb to confirm that I didn’t; I’m sorry that I had to bring you into this particular issue ccb. That said, I could’ve also reported those of you that took part in what’s in the screenshots just after the one that documents what I actually said. I know y’all were still angry and upset at that point, but that is no excuse; what you said was still hurtful and a perfect example of bullying.
When I made that post in the venting chat about the rudeness chat, I was, in fact, venting in a thread made for that kind of thing, that literally has the word ”Venting” in the title. Yet I was, in my opinion, attacked for it.
Those of you who I feel were being quite civil about all of this, I just want to say thank you. You somehow managed to remain calm enough to consider both sides of this conflict, which I imagine took a great amount of will-power.
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What you did to Emi was literally harassment and bullying but alright
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You can't shift the definition of bullying to make yourself look better while simultaneously using it to shut down how Emi felt, bud. You imply that the definition is flexible when you say something is "part of [my] definition of bullying" and yet you complain that Emi chose to use the word "bullying" to describe your actions towards her. It's hypocritical and dishonest.
You can't shift the definition of bullying to make yourself look better while simultaneously using it to shut down how Emi felt, bud. You imply that the definition is flexible when you say something is "part of [my] definition of bullying" and yet you complain that Emi chose to use the word "bullying" to describe your actions towards her. It's hypocritical and dishonest.
Especially since by your own definition, you bullied nearly every person on this site with your BLATANT LAW BREAKING and offensive messages promoting harmful stereotypes
Ok…. I have acknowledged that what I did was wrong, took the threads down, apologized publically, and didn't pm Emi nor PatienceKills as they told me not to. What else would you like me to do to earn forgiveness?
Alright y'all, third party is coming in because I do like to resolve situations like this.
The information was cited, not plagiarized. (Though if you could tell my how this is wrong I'm very open to hearing it, I do actually mean that though.)
Yes, the information was wrong and offensive but it looks like Sy did apologize and take down the threads.
It looks like everyone did get a bit heated and that's understandable, however, like I mentioned above, Sy did apologize for the information being outdated. Yes, Sy could've done some more research but it's likely that he (I do hope you use he/him pronouns if not I apologize and will change it) just saw this stuff and thought "This seems like it could be helpful to others as well."
I don't like going against my friends but I don't think he deserves this amount of heat.
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No one is obligated to forgive you, bud.
standing applause for a friend trying to bring peace to a sorry world
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Dad is proud of you, Reed.
Another third Part jumping in here, Sorry for intruding I will see myself out after this.
No one is obligated to forgive, however I would implore you to act on human decency and not press the matter further.
Sy has done everything in his power to atone for his wrong doings.
I respect the parties involve and understand that words can only do so much to mend previous injury. I ask that all parties avoid creating further injuries and allow the subject to be dropped. I do not believe that there is anything more either party can say concerning the matter that has not already been said in some way or another.
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